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good afternoon, everyone, i'm kate snow. here are our top stories at this hour. diplomat in chief president trump welcoming canadian prime minister justin trudeau to the white house today. the pair just took questions from reporters at the white house. it's what wasn't asked that maybe made more news. what is the status of national security status michael flynn? does he have the trust of president trump and the intelligence community after his evolving comments on whether he spoke to the russian ambassador before the trump administration took office and what they spoke about. and right now in central california, nearly 200,000 people are under evacuation
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orders. there is a problem at a dam in a place called oroville, the nation's tallest dam, in fact. there is what is called an eroding gash inside the emergency spillway. crews will speak to the media at any minute. we'll bring you tell latest when we have it. let's get right to the fast-moving political news. i have several guests. hallie jackson is on her way right now, with new reporting from the white house. we also have the former canadian ambassador to the united states, alex conant, former senior adviser and communications director for marco rubio, and here we also have msnbc contributor and managing director and senior client relationship manager at the -- the teleprompter is not moving for me -- morgan stanley, i knew that, and visiting professor of the michigan school of public
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policy. you guys all have a lot of titles. let me start with michael kirgan, former canadian ambassador to the united states. your reaction to the press availability we just heard, the press conference with the two leaders and the meeting they had at the white house. how significant is it that prime minister trudeau is here? >> one is the opportunity to get to know the president face-to-face. he doesn't do well on phone calls as we discovered with prime minister turnbull of australia. it was good that mr. trudeau got down here, they're both celebrities in their way, they both use social media in their way. to find common ground i think was very important. the second objective he had was to brief the president on the importance of the canadian relationship, the importance we have as a trading partner, the largest destination for american exports, that we have a balanced
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merchandise trade. the united states has a big surplus in services, investments, canadians spending money in the united states on tourism and so forth. unlike mexico, it's a balanced trading relationship. huge cooperation on that very long border between our two countries. the fact that we're both partners in the north american aerospace arrangement, that we share common environment issues and so forth. all of this i think was to mr. trump's benefit to hear that, that we are an important element of the north american triangle, if you wish. and the third area, which is very, very important also, was to get a sense, for trudeau, where mr. trump is heading with respect to nafta. is it renewal, is it renegotiation, is it tearing it up? from what i heard in the press conference, mr. trump said, well, we have to tweak, was the word he used, the arrangement. that comes as a great relief to
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many canadians. for me, it was a very positive press conference for the president, for the canadians listening to the president. he was very disciplined, he was reading his notes quite carefully, i guess you all noticed. all this is good from the canadian perspective. i think mr. trudeau did a good job and we're probably fairly happy with the result. >> alex, you're a gop strategist, let me ask you about the state visit today. in light of what's happened in the past few weeks, there have been moments, particularly phone calls that we're hearing a lot about where it didn't seem like president trump maybe had handled things diplomatically the way that some would have liked. what do you make of today's visit? >> well, i think it's notable that all of these press conferences that he's been doing with other world leaders are great successes. even going back to the campaign, one of the best days that trump had on the campaign was when he flew to mexico city and had a press conference with the president of mexico. i think that this weekend's visits with prime minister abe down in florida and at the white house and then today's event, they're all very, very good, not
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just good optics but also the message is very good, about committing to our alliances and committing to our allies. it is a sharp contrast to the reports of the phone calls that he's had with some leaders that apparently did not go so well. but apparently, those results are very thinly sourced. we don't know the truth about them. in fact other people like the prime minister of australia subsequently came out and said the call was just fine, it wasn't nearly as bad as the media had reported it. i think the contrast is notable. i'm glad the president is doing these sorts of events and he's going to do them with the prime minister of israel later this week. >> let me check in with hallie jackson, i see you, hi. >> reporter: hi. >> so you were in the room. give us the atmospherics. the one thing that didn't come up was general michael flynn, the national security adviser and whether president trump has confidence in him. >> reporter: yeah, kate, somehow it didn't come up. michael flynn was in the front
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row of that press conference as i'm sure you saw, the national security adviser who has been the subject of many, many headlines in the last 48 to 72 hours including several on nbcnews.com. he is, pick your cliche, on the hot seat, in thin ice, you name it, he's there. questions about the president's confidence in him are as yet unanswered, despite our efforts to figure out where exactly michael flynn stands as of this moment. it certainly is relevant to these sort of broader looks at where this administration is when it comes to foreign policy. you asked about the mood in the room, kate. i would say this is only, if i'm counting correctly, third east room press conference. he had theresa may, he had shin bl zo abe. you had media and staff members
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and camera crews. there was more of a formality between prime minister trudeau and president trump. the two of them just came off of this lengthy bilateral meeting. you heard them both talk about the importance of trade across our northern border. an interesting question came from one of our canadian colleagues in the press who asked specifically about nafta, given that president trump has called it the worst trade deal ever. you heard also questions about syrian refugees, canada has accepted close to 40,000 of them, as you know, president trump has wanted to limit the number of refugees coming in via that controversial executive order. the prime minister said, listen, we don't always see eye to eye, the two agreeing to continue trade talks. >> i didn't hear president trump answer that question. did i miss and it? he didn't even seem to talk about refugees. >> reporter: he wasn't directly asked, to my recollection. he was asked about national security a couple of times. >> i think he was by a
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french-canadian reporter who asked that question. >> reporter: i think it was tied up in that question on trade. >> ambassador, were you trying to weigh in? >> i was just going to say, yes, it was a very pointed question, something very much on the canadian mind, mr. trump, what do you think, we have a welcoming situation in canada, and you're absolutely right, mr. trump did not answer that. mr. trudeau underscored the ponce of security, at the same time we're going to keep our refugee policies unchanged. that was i think an important point that mr. trudeau made both in terms of the canadian side, i.e. we're keeping our refugee policy as is, but at the same time reassuring mr. trump that we will work extremely closely on that northern border to ensure there's no infiltration across the border. >> harold ford, you've been sitting patiently this whole time. one second, hallie. let me ask you about the dynamics here. justin trudeau had a pretty good relationship with barack obama, fair to say? >> very much. >> he is a fairly liberal politician from up north. now he's dealing with a whole
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different character in this white house. if you were him, if you were advising him, how does he tread into this relationship? >> i think he handled the day well. i think the ambassador has characterized, everybody has characterized it about right. neither of them were going to make this relationship resemble what mr. trudeau had with mr. obama. the tone, the substance, was what you would want. for trade, they talked about finding ways to work together. in fairness, i'm not an apologist for president trump, but he did say that's what he was elected on. if you're watching this as a politician, as a businessman, as a bureaucrat concerned about how trade agreements are negotiated going forward, i think the ambassador characterized it well from the outset, this was a positive meeting. there were questions people wanted to hear asked, i think
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we're being a little inside baseball, i wish he was asked this question or that question. if you're a viewer at home, if you thought the u.s./canadian relationship was in need of repair, it's better now. you don't leave having watched this press conference believing it's been weakened at all. overall it was a win/win for an america and canada and for these two. they won't have the relationship mr. trudeau had with mr. obama but i'm glad as a citizen to see them move the ball forward. >> the palace intrigue, what's happening behind closed doors, we talked about a little about michael flynn, but what about reince priebus, the chief of staff? there is some supporting today that he might have been in trouble as well. christopher ruddy, who is a friend of president trump's, the chief executive of newsmax
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media, made some comments over the weekend that seemed to suggest that reince priebus's job was in trouble. he walked it back a bit with our colleague andrea mitchell a few hours ago. what's the latest we know? >> reporter: i actually think the walkback is more notable, because it's our reporting right now that chief of staff reince priebus's job is safe. the stories that were coming out may have been overblown. it is our reporting as well, and you saw it publicly, he and steve bannon went on their political sort of west wing bromance tour, front pages, talking about how well they get along, et cetera. and perhaps that was just a public feint, but i certainly don't think it has risen to the level where priebus is in danger of losing his job, based on the folks we're talking to in the west wing and elsewhere in the administration, folks close to the president as well. the person to focus on is mike
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flynn. when you ask sources about reince priebus, they say, yeah, yeah, he's fine, but the person you should be talking about is mike flynn. >> you are marco rubio's former guy, a former gop strategist, alex. does the president need to make changes in the west wing? >> goodness, no, they're still putting together the cabinet, the subcabinet, still putting together the white house staff. reince priebus is still putting together the policies in the white house for how they make decisions, future executive orders, future policy announcements. all of this takes a little bit of time. people inside the west wing understand, people in congress understand they need to be given the space to get things going, just to get off the ground. trump did not have a big campaign staff last year. and so he's having to bring in a lot of new people. and this just takes time. i think reince priebus is doing an outstanding job, given all
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the challenges facing a new administration that has to do so much in terms of hiring new people and fleshing out policies that they didn't really have during the campaign. >> alex is a pro, but he knows as well as any, the concerns around reince, just some of the decisions they've made, to put stephen miller out yesterday on the sunday shows with the message that he had, which i thought at best was puzzling, at worst was a disaster, when you could have put john kelly -- >> didn't president trump praise him for yesterday? >> if you take miller out of the equation, i would ask alex, if you take miller's performance out of the equation, the last three or four days have been pretty good for the president. but miller, and now flynn regarding this situation with russia, if alex were running it, he wouldn't have allowed it to happen, reince wouldn't allow it to happen either, but it is happening. someone has to step up and be the adult for the sake of the country. for russia to be in the front pages of the paper about whether
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or not the national security adviser shared something he should not have when he was a private citizen, for stephen miller to question the judiciary, these are not things a professionally-run white house would want happening. >> do we have time for one question on the deputimocrats? because i've got you here. this is chuck todd on "meet the press," bernie sanders being asked about this effort to draft him into a new party, basically create a new party. take a listen. >> right now, chuck, i am working to bring fundamental reform to the democratic party, to open the doors of the democratic party to working people, to lower income people, to young people who have not felt welcome in the embrace of the democratic party. >> do the democrats need him? >> absolutely. we need every democrat working together. he's an important voice. it's unclear to me if he'll be the voice in 2020, the banner-carrying voice. but there's no doubt his voice
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was important in '16 and remains incredibly important even as we sit here today. i'm not convinced that that's the voice that will lead us to victory in 2020. >> harold ford jr., thanks so much. hallie jackson was with us, the ambassador, thank you so much, and alex conant, we appreciate all your time today, thanks. up next, north korea's missile test, its first since president trump took office, forcing the united nations security council to hold emergency meetings today. should this be cause for concern? i am benedict arnold, the infamous traitor.
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just last hour, president trump called north korea a big, big problem, that's a quote. the country fired a medium to long range ballistic missile on saturday north korea later deared the launch a resounding success. the south korean military says it flew for about 340 miles before it crashed into the sea of japan. for more, lucy kafanov is following the latest from london. gordon chang. and joe serincioni, author of "nuclear nightmares." lucy, let me start with you and the latest reporting. north korea says the test was, quote, a show of force to the new trump administration. what else do we know? >> hey, kate. it certainly was a show of force aimed at getting the attention of the new administration in the
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white house. donald trump and the japanese prime minister were sitting down to their wedge salads when they learned of this launch, according to the reports out there. if this was intended to provoke donald trump into a bellicose reaction, the north koreans failed on that end. but there is reason to be concerned, this missile as we understand flew farther than previous north korean tests, over 300 miles before dropping into the sea of japan. it's also reportedly the first time the north koreans claimed to have used something called solid fuel. if that's true, that's a pretty big step forward because it means instead of relying on missiles that have to be fueled on fixed launch pad, the north korean military could fire them at well from anywhere from missile launchers. pentagon spokesman jeff davis said the u.s. will take all necessary measures to deter and
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defeat threats like this. the pentagon confirming that this launch seemed to travel further than other tests in the past but tread again that the u.s. is able to defend against these kinds of attacks, and more importantly, that the u.s. is committee to protecting allies like japan and south korea, kate. >> lucy, thanks so much. let me bring in cordon and joe now. gordon, after north korea test fires this missile on saturday night, president trump then arranges very quickly a late night sort of briefing for the press where he stands and listens to the japanese prime minister, prime minister abe, then says this. let me play the sound. >> i just want everybody to understand and fully know that the united states of america stands behind japan, its great ally, 100%. thank you. >> it's brief. he chooses to frame it within the context of the japanese/u.s.
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relationship. was that sort of the only way he could go? >> i think so, because the trump administration has yet to figure out what to do with north korea. it's a complex problem, because it involves not only the north but of course china and iran. so, you know, right now i don't think this administration, especially with all the issues about flynn, is in a position to come up with a coherent response, because this is the most difficult challenge they face at this moment. >> joe, what was your take on the response and the whole thing that played out on saturday night? >> i'm very glad the president said as little as he did. stay off twitter, mr. president. don't try to make nuclear policy on twitter. don't engage in bellicose rhetoric with the north koreans. in some ways that's what they want, it validates their view of the world. stay calm. the big risk here is that belligerent rhetoric on both sides could escalate into belligerent actions, particularly as we get to the end of the month and south korea and the united states are
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engaged in large scale military exercises that always provoke the north koreans. so this is a time for calm rhetoric. fortunately, the test, which may lead to a long range missile in the future, is not that long range missile now. they do not have a missile that can attack the united states, they do not have a nuclear warhead that can be put on a missile to attack the united states. but they are working towards that technology. you let them keep doing this, and they will be able to threaten the united states. that's why it's urgent that the president do what he said he would do during the campaign and talk to kim jong un. >> i would love for both of you, gordon and joe, to help us understand the state of north korea's expertise or abilities when it comes to missiles and technology. gordon, you were talking about this precise ballistic missile test and what had a hardware was, essentially. do we know where it comes from?
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>> the missile they tested yesterday was a variant of what they tested on august 24th, from an undersea platform. what was tested on august 24th really is a chinese jl-1. that means that somehow the north koreans may have gotten technology from the cheeinese. this is not to say the chinese gave it. >> they could have copied it. >> they could have copied it, stolen it, or gotten it from a country that china proliferated it too. we need to start asking, and we need to start asking fast, because if china is involved in proliferating missile technology to the north koreans, then our problems are a lot larger than they now appear. >> joe, go ahead, what do you think about the state of their expertise? >> gordon is exactly right. this is a very capable program. they've been testing more in the last 20 months than they've tested in their previous program combined. look, they're still far behind. this missile only traveled about 340 miles. it's not a long range.
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it's a short range threat. the bad news is, we think this is just the first stage of a missile that they want to build. as you reported, it's solid fueled, meaning it won't have to undergo the lengthy observable fueling that a liquid fueled missile has to do. and that means that you can take this missile, put it on a mobile launcher, maybe put it on a submarine. if you put other stages on top of it, you could hit that long range. look, this is why you've got to change policy. we've tried sanctioning the north koreans, it hasn't stopped them. we've tried ignoring the north koreans, hasn't stopped them. we've tried to get china to stop them, hasn't worked. the only way is to negotiate a freeze in their program. they're not going to give this up. but if donald trump can negotiate a freeze like we did with iran, roll back the program, pause the program. >> but negotiating with the north koreans, gordon, that means dealing with a dictator. >> that's not the problem. i think the problem is north korea is not going to give up
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its programs, as joe mentioned, and probably not going to freeze them. in the previous framework, which is also a freeze, they were cheating behind the scenes. they promised to stop activity and then started a uranium program instead of the plutonium one that we saw. there's a lot of complicated issues. i'm not saying you shouldn't do it. but this administration needs to come up with a coherent response. it's not just north korea but all the countries involved in this program. >> joe, quick last word. >> you don't have much choice. it's not true that we can defend against a north korean missile. the interceptors we have in alaska, these work only half the time under ideal, carefully scripted tests. if north korea gets this capability, there is no defense against it. the best defense is to stop them from getting it in the first place. that's why you have to try talks. >> thank you to all of you so much. still to come, thousands of
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breaking at this hour, one of jerry sandusky's adult sons now faces multiple charges of sexual offences regarding children. jeffrey sandusky has been suspended from his job at the state correctional institution in pennsylvania. these charges are not related to his father's case. jerry sandusky, the father, the former penn state assistant coach, is now searching a lengthy prison sentence of course for sexual ulitt littllu
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boys. many of those striking today are protesting against the labor secretary pick, andy puzder, who has criticized minimum wage increases. in last night's 59th annual grammy awards, it was president trump and his policies that garnered the most attention. >> this is the best, president trump, we don't know what comes next. >> we could use this excitement at a pipeline protest, guys guys, #nodapple. >> hey, i want to take president agent orange. and the muslim ban. when we come together, we're the people. >> some of the politics of the grammys last night. in wisconsin, thousands rallied
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at the milwaukee county courthouse, taking part in a so-called day without latinos, immigrants, and refugees. the protests targeting milwaukee county sheriff david clarke and his plans to deputize his sheriffs to act as immigration agents. it comes as federal immigration officials arrested more than 600 people across 11 states last week and president trump proclaimed on twitter the crackdown on illegal criminals is merely the keeping of my campaign promise. gang members, drug dealers and others are being removed. nbc's ron mott joins me now out in milwaukee. ron, what was the scene there? >> reporter: hey there, kate, good afternoon to you. the rally started back here. you see a few people hanging around, turning in their marching signs. they marched a mile and a half or so to the county courthouse. sheriff david clarke was in the crosshairs, if you will, of the protesters today because of his plan to deputize his sheriff's deputies to go around this county rounding up people who
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raps are in the country illegally and handing them over to the federal government. we spoke to a number of people here today, protesting on a number of fronts. mostly they didn't want to see families being broken up. you can see the video from earlier, we were told by one of the organizers to expect a couple of thousand to 2 or 3,000 people. there had to have been two or three times that that showed up. it was quite an impressive crowd. one gentlemen works in the dairy industry here in wisconsin, which is obviously, with all the wisconsin cheese here, an important industry here. here is what he had to say about his role and their role in the dairy industry in this community. take a listen. >> we don't come to this country to cause troubles. we understand in some communities we've got criminals and some drugs or whatever. but we're here to work. we're here to share the values of the american people. >> reporter: well, he also mentioned the fact that he works
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in the dairy industry, and if people want to suddenly see their price of eggs or the milk or the cheeses double or in some cases triple, well, this industry depends on immigrant labor. there was a lot of spirit here today, this afternoon. this is not the end of it. we're told this is the beginning. they want to see this replicated across wisconsin and the country. there is a big rally coming up in about 90 days or so in may around this entire issue of immigration, kate. >> ron, forgive me if i missed this, but the last time i saw you on maybe a couple of hours ago, you said they might actually march toward where the sheriff is. did that ever happen? >> reporter: there was apparently -- one of the organizers got word from a city official that the sheriff himself would show up at the county courthouse. he did not show up at the county courthouse. that group of people surrounded the steps of the courthouse and held their rally. a number of speakers made some rousing speakers. but sheriff david clarke was not present as far as i could tell. >> i see.
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ron mott, thanks so much, appreciate it. up next, nearly 200,000 people evacuated in northern california after a major erosion at an emergency spillway off the nation's tallest dam, a spillway that's designed to protect against overflow. if it collapses, entire communities could be crushed by a wall of water. we'll take you there after the break. when you hit 300,000 mile. or here, when you walked away without a scratch. maybe it was the day your baby came home. or maybe the day you realized your baby was not a baby anymore. every subaru is built to earn your trust. because we know what you're trusting us with. subaru. kelley blue book's most trusted brand. and best overall brand. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.
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i just want to find a used car start at the new carfax.com show me used trucks with one owner. pretty cool. [laughs] ah... ahem... show me the carfax. start your used car search at the all-new carfax.com. so here's the good news. at this hour in california, water has stopped flowing over damaged spillways at the massive
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lake oroville dam. but the evacuation order is still in effect. nearly 200,000 people were ordered to leave their homes after a part of the spillway collapsed. and while the nation's tallest dam does remain intact at this hour, a new storm system forecast to bring heavy rain this week has officials in a race against time out there. nbc's steve patterson joins me live from oroville, california. steve, are they trying to repair the damage that's already there, and how nervous are they? >> reporter: well, there is some concern. but we have more good news to report, kate. there was just a news conference just moments ago. they say they're making significant progress in shoring up and making sure they know where the damage is of those pipelines that were damaged. there was a significant, significant damage to those breezeways, those sort of pipelines that kind of run off the dam, that takes the water from the lake, when it gets far
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too high. that was the situation we had this month with all the rainfall that we've had in northern california, after years of reporting about this drought, this significant drought in california, we've had a deluge. that rose the lake significantly. and then it put a lot of pressure on these dams. so this dam in particular was just overflowing. it put a lot of pressure on both the significant pipelines that runs the water out of there on the first one, the primary one. there was a significant 250-foot hole, 40-foot-deep hole. that allowed the officials to move to this auxiliary pipeline. that one had some erosion damage as well. and so engineers have been here pretty much all day, trying to figure out where that damage is specifically located, trying to figure out if they can lower the water level significantly. and it sounds like from this press conference that they are able to do that. that does not mean, however, that this evacuation order will lift at any point in the next
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couple of hours or even the next following days. they're still holding that in place. they say the decision to put that evacuation order was a difficult one, but the decision to take it off will be a difficult one. they are, however, they said at this news conference, working on a repopulation plan. again, that doesn't mean people will be allowed back home anytime soon, but it is significant progress from what we've heard. i want to show you what they've been doing, you can see those white bags, they're full of boulders back in that big machinery you see beyond that. the helicopters are loading those boulders in those bags to hopefully get the choppers up and drop them in the breaches from those pipelines, to shore that up a little bit, so hopefully they can get that done before this next weather system moves in. you mentioned it, it's a race against time. we also heard from this news conference that that next series of storms may start a little bit later than we originally thought. originally we thought it would be mid-week.
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it may now be thursday or friday, which is some more good news because it gets the engineers able to do significant work before that next storm system comes. again, however, many people, hundreds of thousands, are waiting to hear what the word will be in the next couple of hours and days, as are we. we'll stay out here to continue monitoring what's going on here, kate. >> i hope you do, thanks so much, steve, we appreciate it. we're also following blizzard conditions in parts of the northeast at this hour, as new england deals with its second major snowstorm in a week. parts of maine could be hit the hardest, up to two feet of snow is expected in certain parts. that's where we find lucky blake mccoy braving the snowstorm. oh, it looks cold up there. my kids are wishing the snow line was more towards new york city so they could have another day off of school. but it's right where you are. >> reporter: they do love the snow here, you don't live in new england unless you like the snow. we've had more than a foot and a
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half of snow in portland so far. maine is virtually shut down today as a result. government offices are closed. you can see these businesses in downtown portland, maine also closed. the only people i see now are the mailman and snowplow drivers. they've done a pretty good job at clearing the roads throughout the day. the concern is with the winds picking up so much, all these giant snow banks with the wind hitting them, they just blow the snow right back onto the streets. the plow drivers have had to keep running over the same streets over and over and over again, even though most of the heavy snow has now moved on out. further south of us, wind has been the major story today. wind gusts of 66 miles per hour, dc's reagan airport. 77 miles per hour in white plains, new york. it's toppled trees. it's led to a lot of flight delays and cancellations, a thousand cancellations so far mainly in the northeast corridor today. the good news for folks is this storm is moving on out at this hour. it will be out by tonight. tomorrow should be much better
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as people head back out into their businesses and back to school tomorrow. kate, schools closed here today. in boston they only got a few inches of snow but they decided to close school anyway. it is their third snow day on a school day in a row. thursday, friday, and now monday. they've had a five-day weekend. >> see, that's what the kids want, just what they want. thanks so much, stay safe out there. some record action to tell you about on wall street today. why all the confidence? we're keeping our eye on that number. stephanie ruhl is going to joining us. jacob soboroff will pay a visit to our neighbors to the north and take a look at the differences in health care between the u.s. and canada.
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states, if you get sick or injured, you'll want to show up at a place like this, sometimes by helicopter. this is seattle a harborview medical center where you can get some of the best care in the world. so what type of patients come through here in the emergency department? >> we see everything, actually. >> reporter: what you're saying is, no matter what might happen to you, you come in here, we'll be able to -- >> absolutely. >> reporter: -- give you good service? >> absolutely. >> reporter: in the united states, quality health care like this comes at a cost. we spend 17% of our gdp on health care, that's 50% more than our peer economies. can i ask you what happened? >> i got hit on my bike riding to work. i originally came in with some fractured ribs, a lacerated spleen. i broke my femur. they did surgery on me yesterday. >> reporter: what i'm told about this place is if something like what happens to you happens, something major, this is the place to go. >> exactly. >> you want to be here. >> reporter: in terms of insurance and how that works for you and payment, it's working
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okay too? >> i think we're just figuring that out. >> we're just trying to get him better. >> reporter: this is your ct scanner. >> yes, one of a couple of that we have. >> reporter: up. does something like this cost? >> the room, the infrastructure, probably over 1.5 million. >> reporter: $1.5 million. >> i'm sure. >> reporter: in an emergency department, is it normal to invest a million and a half dollars in a c.t. scanner? >> absolutely. >> reporter: americans put this to good use. part of the reason we put this here. it's part of the reason americans spend around $10,000 a year on health care, compared to under $6 hourks for canadians. all that technology and spending doesn't mean we're living longer. americans rank 42nd compared with 19th for the canadians. we headed north to canada to find out what they think we're doing wrong. >> when i heard we were come, i did not anticipate feeling like i was coming to the gym. >> right, no, the gym is part of
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the doctor's office. >> reporter: this is all about prevention. >> exactly. >> reporter: you don't have to be wealthy in canada to get good preventative care and seeing the hospital, dr. nadia runs a government-funded program aimed at stopping health crisis before they happen. >> we do a lot of work to get the message out there about how important it is to control blood pressure. we work with doctors to be aggressive in treatment. >> reporter: before you end up in the c.t. machine. >> that's right. before you end up there. >> reporter: one puts the rate of hypertension at 19% while the u.s. is around 30%. and that's a reflection of the united states spending more than canada on medical technology and health care in social services. like a stress test. >> this is going to be really itchy. >> reporter: this is my 40-year-old virgin moment. you're telling me this is a way to figure out if i need some kind of preventative treatment to help me to not have a hard attack?
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we don't do this. >> this is more of a preventive-based approach. >> reporter: how much does this cost? >> 15,000. >> reporter: but actually, in seattle, i saw a cat scan that cost over a million dollars. so this is a good investment on the front end versus the million dollars on the back end, i guess. i want to cry. wow. so that really escalated quickly. >> oh, that was jacob soboroff, he was supposed to be here live, but he's out sick today. if he were here, he would tell you that bottom line canada spends less on health care and citizens live longer in part because they invest in prevention while we focus on tweeting emergencies in the u.s. how that lesson gets applied to our current health care debate remains to be seen obviously. up next, we will head to wall street where the markets -- look at those numbers, nearing another record close today. i love how usaa gives me the peace of mind
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we are following an eventful day again on wall street. dow jones having another record-breaking session today. only minutes left to go about 138 points. i want to bring in stephanie rule whose been keeping a close eye on the markets for us today. i always ask this, what do we think is driving it up again? >> there's a lot of -- yep, there's a lot of positive forces. remember, the markets not
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emotional, the market doesn't get offended, i'm talking to you, president trump, and it is that pro-business policies just last week donald trump reiter e reiterated that a tax plan will be ruled out and over the weekend, more and more about the infighting at the white house, there's been a lot of knocks on whether it's steve bannon's camp, kellyanne conway, sean spicer, some national security issues, gary conan is the white house chief economic advisor until just a couple months ago, he was the president of goldman sachs and today steve mnuchin who will most likely be confirmed. so from the market perspective, we like to see a guy like gary cone who is going to rule out the tax plan in a couple of weeks. >> and we are looking -- this is going to be the closing bell being rung by the sports illustrated swim suit edition. >> the men down there on the stock exchange floor, that is a positive and they're probably feeling pretty good. and think about the meeting
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today with justin trudeau, while they didn't get into details, the market is looking for big, swift moves from president trump. he didn't say anything anti-canada, he didn't say anti-trade, and it's trade that does matter. when you hear him sort of choosing his words tenderly and starting to understand, well, autoparts for example, they might cross over a border six or seven times, maybe a 20% tax, maybe a border tax doesn't make sense. he said almost nothing about north korea this weekend. when you see president trump start to settle down a little bit, that's when the market starts to like. >> go back to gary cone for a second. i don't know that much about him. i'm sure our viewers don't. respected guy. >> respected guy. gary cone has been at goldman sachs for over 25 years. so he's a guy who doesn't just understand markets, he understands the international finance community. he's the kind of guy who's got mark kearny on speed dial who knows christine laguard for those who say steve bannon, he
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wants to tear the house down. that's not what gary cone, he's not that kind of guy. now, cynic could say, gary cone, a wall street guy. well, isn't this about draining the swamp? wasn't it about not having goldman people and that's who's sitting next to president trump. market perspective, market feels good. >> they like stability, right, they like to know what's coming. and the tax splplan is coming. do we know when? >> we don't. while president trump has met with ceos and he said this isn't just a photo opportunity, this is a task force. i've spoken to a number of ceos at the meeting, there hasn't been any follow-up conversations. so you know, the devil's in the details, but a steady hand like a gary cone does have the market feeling a bit more confident. >> today there was another meeting with trudeau where they had female leaders come in and they talked about entrepreneurship. sounds.
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>> sounds beautiful, what is it? >> yeah. >> and remember in the market -- >> the market, they could sell tomorrow. they're feeling positive. remember, markets are liquid. things change, they could sell. >> there's the bell right now. and that's going to wrap up this hour for us as we watch the close on wall street. looks like another record day. that is a record, right, 139. >> up almost 140 on date. up exactly a year ago today. it was the low point of 2016, we're now 24% from that point. >> what a dangerous year makes. stephanie rule, thanks for being with us for the closing bell. i'm kate snow. that's going to wrap up my hour here. you can find me on snapchat, twitter, instagram, facebook as well. right now, my colleague steve kornacki picking up our coverage and he'll be joined -- this is big, by kellyanne conway, counselor to the president, hey steve. >> hey kate, that's right, kellyanne conway will be joining us. good afternoon, everybody, live here in new york. i'm steve kornacki on day 25 of the first 100 days. topping our agenda, like i just mentioned, we're going to go

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